[The  following is the full text of one of my earlier debates on RH Bill  posted in the Harapan Page in Face Book. I tried to find the link but it  seems like the page no longer exists. Fortunately, I managed to save  the text. Enjoy!!]
   
   "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be  Caesar's and unto God the things which be God's." (Luke 20:25)
  
   Then God will be rendered nothing :)
  11:36 PM ng Huwebes · Gustuhin
 
   A growing population is a king’s glory; a dwindling nation is his doom.  [Proverbs14:28]
  11:36 PM ng  Huwebes · Gustuhin
 
   Yes it would be a king's doom, but luckily we have grown past the age of kings,  where politics was nil, and might was right.
  Kahapon sa ganap na 12:07 AM · Gustuhin
 
   Kings,  presidents, etc. these are just titles of rulers. Noon, hari. Ngayon, presidente. The point is, a growing population gives  glory. While a dwindling nation causes doom.
  Kahapon sa  ganap na 12:21 AM · Gustuhin
 
   Not when resources are too scarce to support the population. The key to a  successful kingdom is balance, as I have said before, humans are programmable.
  Kahapon sa ganap na 12:38 AM · Gustuhin
 
   I don't buy the  idea that the resources are scarce. We have enough for the need of everyone. The problem is in distribution of resources and the greed of those in power. Gandhi said it best: "There  is enough for everyone's need but not for everyone's greed." If a person  gets far more than he needs, he is in effect robbing his neighbors. The  solution is to remove greed thru values formation and fix the unjust distribution of resources thru implementation of just economic policies. Even if you  managed to reduce our current population of 90million by half, there is no  guarantee that there will be no poverty. As long as greedy people are in power and  unfair economic policies are in effect, there will always be poor people in our country.
  Kahapon sa  ganap na 1:06 AM · Gustuhin · 2 katao  
   Tut tut, you are thinking within your lifetime. Do you seriously think that the Philippines would have enough resources to last for, say, 300 years. The  fact is, that 90 million of yours isn't a static number, without family  planning, condoms and such it'd be a burden that increases in weight and rate  expansion with each generation.If you don't trust the government then at least  trust the scientists who come up with these statistics.
  Kahapon sa ganap na 1:26 AM · Gustuhin
 
   I'll visualize it for you, if for example you where carrying a basin that can  carry a finite volume of sand, and if for example I one day decided that I'd  drop a grain of sand into the basin, the look of grief on your face brought so  much pleasure to me that I then decided that for every grain of sand in the  basin I'd drop two once a year for an infinite amount of years. But, if so  ever that you let go of the basin or if the basin fills and the sand spills on to  the floor, I'll kill you then and there.
Now substitute you for the Philippines, the sand for the human  population, the basin for the volume of inhabitable land, and your all set.
  Kahapon sa ganap na 1:38 AM · Gustuhin
 
   Teaching people  not to become greedy and implementing just economic policies are sustainable solutions to our growing  problems. When I say sustainable, they are not just applicable for today. They can be  done for years to come. Actually, they will be "must" in the future. So you are clearly mistaken accusing me of thinking only about this lifetime.  Just like what I said earlier, even if you managed to cut down our population  of 90million by half, there is no guarantee that there will be no poverty.  As long as you turn a blind eye to ongoing unfair economic policies and we keep electing corrupt leaders, there will always be poor people in the  philippines. Also, 90million filipinos are not a burden if and only if, instead of  minding their own betterment alone, they start sharing and caring with one  another. That's the values formation that I'm talking about that this country  badly needs if it wants to move forward. What can condoms, pills, and IUD do  to poor people? Can it cure hunger? Man can live without sex but not without  food. The problem is economic. So the solution should be economic as well. But  there is no economic development without values transformation first. That's why I proposed the two solutions earlier.
  Kahapon sa  ganap na 1:59 AM · Gustuhin · 1 tao
 
   Let me  elucidate my point further. if we managed to transform the values of the people and we implement just economic  policies [policies provide opportunities for all while striking critical balance  between socio economic development and environmental protection], Philippines  will still have resources to support its population for the next 300 years  and further. There seems to be scarcity issues right now because of rampant  greed of many people in power and ongoing unjust economic policies that enrich  the few at a greater environmental cost. Remove this two and you have no  problem. Condoms, pills, and IUD are not the solutions.
  Kahapon sa  ganap na 2:13 AM · Gustuhin
 
   The problem  with your example is that population is vulnerable to other external factors like diseases, calamities, and  culture as compared to the grains of sand that are assumed to continue flowing to  the basin eternally undisturbed. Since population is vulnerable to other  factors, there can be periods of time wherein in population will not grow as one  expects it to be. You are assuming that the growth rate will be constant  forever. That is wrong. Growth rate varies from year to year, decade to decade, etc.  Your example is flawed.
  Kahapon sa  ganap na 2:28 AM · Gustuhin
 
   Man cannot live without sex, it's as natural and instinctive as taking a dump. And  as I have said in a post before, corruption is an essential part in a  democracy, that is it's Achilles' heel as well as it's greatest asset. I might have  said in an earlier post that humans are programmable but they're not that programmable. Teaching humans to not be greedy and to override their programming to 'vote for whoever their family and friends are voting'  and 'vote for who ever looks the best in their infomercials' would take too much  effort and would span a generation or two(so you may be right when you said  that your not just thinking withing your lifetime). Besides, greed is an essential  part of success. I mean Bill Gates is greedy, and so are most of th most  influential people of this time. And lastly,please define "economic" we might have differing definitions.
  Kahapon sa ganap na 2:43 AM · Gustuhin
 
   And so, to summarize my incredibly long post: yours is just a pipe dream. Just  economic policies would be difficult to implement because we have differing  definitions of what is just, all human's do, unless it's a borrowed ideal of course.  I'll end this with a quote that I'll hope you'll understand the meaning of.  Who will watch the watchmen?(I know it doesn't refer directly to what we're  talking about but just apply it in a different manner, k?)
  Kahapon sa ganap na 2:49 AM · Gustuhin
 
   Of course not.  Man can live without sex, don’t you know that? If you can't live without sex, well, not all men are like you.  Comparing sex with taking a dump is downright pathetic. Man will die if he fails  to defecate for 1 month, but I assure you that taking out sex from your  lifestyle for a month will not kill you. Also, I don't buy the idea that  corruption is part of democracy. Corruption is illegal in a democratic country. If you  doubt this, I dare you to embezzle public funds in the open, let’s see if the  government will give you honors instead. If for you, corruption is a norm, then you  have a problem: you are part of the existing problem. So why blame the unborn  for the problems of which you are a part of?
Also, what is wrong in teaching people not to become greedy? At least it  is better than teaching people to tolerate and participate in corrupt  practices and similar acts. If it takes a lifetime teaching people not to become  greedy and on how to elect right leaders, so what? The benefits of these are  enormous and unprecedented so all trouble of doing it will surely be worth it. Doing  this is the least that we can do in making this world a better place to live in  for the next generation.
Actually, it is you who is the one thinking only within your lifetime.  You are asking for instant solutions to deeply-seated and complex problems that  even your IUDs, condoms and pills can’t even give. You ignored the fact that  the problems we have right now didn’t occur overnight. They are products of  years and generations of indifference and selfishness. We are just reaping  what we sown. Understandably, the process of satisfaction or reparation requires  the same amount of time. You have not proven that values transformation and implementing just economic policies are not solutions to our problems.  The bible however, is very clear:
“ANG MATUWID NA PAMUMUHAY NG MGA MAMAMAYAN AY MAGPAPADAKILA NG KANILANG BAYAN NGUNIT ANG PAMUMUHAY NA MAKASALANAN, SA BAYAN AY MAGDUDULOT NG KAHIHIYAN”. [Kawikaan 14:34]
It’s righteousness that will propel our country to progress. Not  greediness which is a sin.
Regarding your statement that greed is an essential part of success,  FYI, not all successful people are greedy. Your fallacious statement is an insult  to every successful people. Working for gain is not greediness,  particularly if you do it to contribute not only for your own welfare but also to the  society as a whole. The “success” you are referring is individualistic in  nature, not holistic in the context of a community or nation. So your assumption is  flawed. Actually, that is one of the many reasons why this country of ours is  poor. We have handful of rich men who are so greedy to share their bounty to the poor  & since greed knows no boundaries, these greedy men continue to enrich  themselves by abusing the national patrimony while leaving the rest of the  Filipinos poor and suffering from negative externalities of their businesses.
The point is, greedy people will not make a prosperous nation because  they will be busy biting and consuming each other. The bible warns that such  degree of greed results to annihilation:
Nguni't kung kayo-kayo rin ang nangagkakagatan at nangagsasakmalan, magsipagingat kayo na baka kayo'y mangaglipulan sa isa't isa. [Gal5:15]
You have asked me to define the term “economic” and yet fail to show  your card? I will not succumb to your requirement because I think it is just a  desperate effort to divert the issue. Prove to me first that values transformation  and implementing just economic policies are not solutions to our problems  right now but condom, IUD, and pills.
  Kahapon sa  ganap na 9:40 PM · Gustuhin
 
   Values  transformation and implementing just economic policies are not pipe dreams. To say so will mean that man is inherently corrupt, greedy, irredeemable, and hopeless. If man is irredeemable and hopeless, why all the trouble to pass RH Bill? Why offer RH Bill as a  solution? It will be useless anyway since man is already doomed from the start. It  will not make any difference.
As to your opinion, we don’t have to spend all our time debating on what  is the right and proper meaning of the term JUST in order to implement just  economic policies. So long as the policy provides opportunity to those who are  willing to work, providing incentives commensurate to the amount and quality of  effort done, without jeopardizing the integrity of local environment to  continually sustain the needs of the society and without undermining the inherent  rights of the people, it is just. Other countries were able to implement just  economic policies, why can’t we?
  Kahapon sa  ganap na 10:00 PM · Gustuhin
 
   DOOM it... let it DOOM itself..
  Kahapon sa ganap na 11:11 PM · Gustuhin
 
   10 oras na ang  nakalipas · Gustuhin